Talk:Kalkhand

Kalkhunda in Mahabharata

Kalkhunda relation with Mahabharta is not acceptable.the words completely different as well as the location of the two i think most of this gotra ppl are in U.P Dist. Muzzafarnagar esp.

People have been changing locations in the past. We find references of Many jat clans moving from Rajasthan to UP. Please search more. Laxman Burdak 22:03, 9 November 2008 (EST)

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We had about this fact on Jatland Forums at

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17477&page=20

Laxman Burdak

Kalkhanda Clan in Mahabharata

Virata Parva, Mahabharata/ Book IV Chapter 12 shloka 13 mentions Kalkhanda as Kalakhanjas Asuras endued with huge bodies and great prowess.

तत्र मल्लाः समापेतुर थिग्भ्यॊ राजन सहस्रशः महाकाया महावीर्याः कालखञ्जा इवासुराः Mahabharata (IV.12.13)

tatra mallāḥ samāpetur digbhyo rājan sahasraśaḥ mahākāyā mahāvīryāḥ kālakhañjā ivāsurāḥ Mahabharata (IV.12.13)

Note - Here Asura may not be taken otherwise as Asura or Ahura is Iranian God.

You can see more on Jatland Wiki at

http://www.jatland.com/home/Virata_P...k_IV_Chapter_5

Ravi Chaudhary

How do you derive Khankhanda from Khalkanja?

How does the J transform to a D?

Ravi Chaudhary

Laxman Burdak

For example the word Education is also pronounced as Ejucation. Here D changes to J. Grimm's Law. __________________ Laxman Burdak

Ravi Chaudhary

Luxmanji

You will have to do much better than that!

Where does Grimm's Law provide for this?

Try not to bring in English words. PLease provide your proof using words,from Sanskrit or Hindi etc

Ravi

Laxman Burdak

Raviji,

Do you think Sanskrit has nothing common with English? Most of the English words are derived from Sanskrit. Some examples-

Brother=भ्रातृ Mother= मातृ Father=पितृ Door=द्वार

Sanskrit is not restricted to Hindi only. It is the mother of many many world languages including english as well as Indian languages. The pre-Classical form of Sanskrit is known as Vedic Sanskrit, with the language of the Rigveda being the oldest and most archaic stage preserved, its oldest core dating back to as early as 1500 BCE,[Macdonell (2004] qualifying Rigvedic Sanskrit as one of the oldest attestation of any Indo-Iranian language, and one of the earliest attested members of the Indo-European language family.[Burrow (2001]

Since both have commonality and since sanskrit was earlier only a spoken language, shift of sound is possible. Grimm's law explains the shift of sounds.

But How do you restrict Kalkhandas to Hindi region and Hindi language only?

If you or any other member have any other evidences may please enumerate.

Regards, __________________ Laxman Burdak

More over we also get from meaning 4.खंजन या खँडरिच नाम का पक्षी that how ज and ड are interchangable in Hindi. Which also explains the curiosity of Raviji.

Regards, __________________ Laxman Burdak

Ravi Chaudhary

You are clouding the issue.

All I have used is one example, of your attempts to transform a J into a D, using your connection of Khalkanja to Khalkhanda.

As I have pointed out earlier, you are presenting a Jumble of information, without any clear foundations.

The same for your 'Jarta' Article, which is confusing to say the least, and has 'cut and paste' portions being passed off as original writing.

This kind of approach,as I have suggested earlier does more harm than good.

I would suggest again, that less output, but quality output would be vastly preferable.

Best regards

Ravi Chaudhary

Very interesting.

Khanjan or Khandrich,

Are they the two names, very different names, names for the same bird?

What bird is this?

Laxman Burdak

Wagtail bird (English) = चर (Sanskrit) = खंजन या खँडरिच नाम का पक्षी (Hindi)

Hope it is now clear and shows that in Hindi both D and J are interchangeable.

So it is proved that Kalkhanda = Kalkhanja

Surely Mahabharata discusses about a tribe and it is at present found in Jats only.

Jart is sanskritized form of Jat. Prakrit Jat (जाट) Sanskrit (जट) Arbanized Jat (जत) are same. __________________ Laxman Burdak