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नमस्कार जनाब, मैं चौधरी रेयांश सिंह, आपसे कुछ एंक्वायरी के लिए संपर्क करना चाहता था, की जैसा की आपने चौ गोकुल सिंह पर पेज बनाया था तब आपने उन्हें सिनसिनवार जाट लिख दिया, यह संभवत गलत है। हां इतिहासकारों ने यही लिखा है पर यह असम्भव सा लगता है, इसपर मैंने एक लेख भी लिखा था जिसे की जाट हिस्ट्री अवर वैलर पत्रिका में सन् 2020 में तारिक 28 जून को छापा गया था।
इतिहासकार अहलावत लिखते हैं कि, "गोकुल सिंह सीनसिनी ग्राम का सिनसिनवार जाट था, जिसे आगे चल कर तिलपत में ज़मीन प्राप्त हुई।" यदि इस लाइन को दोबारा से पढ़ें तो यह लाइन अपने आप ने एक विरोधाभासी कथन(Contradictable Statement) है।
हम जानते हैं कि एक जाट को ज़मीन और जमींदारी कहां और कैसे प्राप्त होती है, उनके(जाटों के) पूर्वपुरुष(पूर्वजों) के बाद उन्हें उनकी ज़मीन प्राप्त होती है, और वो उनकी पुस्तैनी ज़मीन कहलाती है, मतलब एक जाट को जमींदारी उसके गांव में प्राप्त होती है, दूसरे के गाम में जाट नै ज़मीन थोड़ी मिलैगी??
इस बात से तो आप सभी सहमत होंगे कि, जाट को ज़मीन तो उसके ही गाम में प्राप्त होती है, इस हिसाब से गोकुल को जमींदारी तिलपत में प्राप्त हुई तो गोकुल सिंह तिलपत गांव के हुए और तिलपत गांव का आज भी सिनसिनवार भरतपुर जाट रियासत से कोई नाता रिश्ता नहीं है।
गोकुल सिंह हंगा गोत्र के जाट योद्धा थे, जिनको की इतिहास में ग़लत लिखा गया है, इतिहासकार अहलावत को छोड़ के किसी अन्य इतिहासकार ने इनका रिश्ता सिंसिनी से नहीं जोड़ा (और यदि किसी ने जोड़ा तो उनका संदर्भ दिया), इस चीज़ को लेकर हमनें अहलावत साहब के देवते वकील रोहित बद्द्वर से बात करी तो उन्होंने भी यही बताया कि गोकुल सिंह हागा जाट थे, इतिहासकार अहलावत ने यह ग़लत लिखा है(ऐसा उन्होंने बताया)!
इसके अतिरिक्त गोकुल सिंह का जन्म भी सिंसिनी में हुआ था(इतिहासकार यू एन शर्मा का कथन है), और हम जानते हैं कि गोकुल के पिता माडू जाट एक वक्त सिंसिनी ग्राम के मुखिया थे, अब इससे ज़्यादा जानकारी(इससे पहले कि जानकारी) मौजूद नहीं है, मतलब अब वो क्या था कि माडू सिंह और गोकूला सिंसिनी गांव में रहे इसके पीछे क्या वजह थी कहीं उल्लेखनीय नहीं, अतः हम यह नहीं कह सकते कि गोकुल सिंह सिनसिनवार हो गए, इस षड्यंत्र में एक योगदान भरतपुर जाट डायनेस्टी का भी है कि उन्होंने अपने इतिहास में जैसे कि बृजेन्द्र वंश भास्कर में गोकुल को सिनसिनवार लिखा है, यह असम्भव है।
मेरे पास सबूत बहुत हैं, सबूत के रूप में तर्क हैं जो गोकुल का सिनसिनवार होना असम्भव सिद्ध करते हैं, इसके अतिरिक्त कुछ रेफरेंस भी हैं।
और हां मैं गोकुल के वंशजों को भी जानता हूं, चौधरी अर्जुन सिंह बिसावर ग्राम ज़िला हाथरस से गोकुल के छोटे भाई झमन के 14वीं पीढ़ी के वंशज हैं और उनकी गोत् हगा चौधरी है।
मैं आशा करता हूं कि आप इस बारे में सोचेंगे और, मुझे इसका जवाब भी अवश्य देंगे, नोट रखें- हो सकते है कि मैं शायद ग़लत हूं लेकिन अपनी ओर से जो सबूत इक्खटे कर पाया उन्ही के दाम पर कह रहा हूं।
धन्यवाद्। ChReyanshSingh(Talk)
reply Zameendara
Pahle ke time me Rajwade kaki phi Zameen de dete the Inam me, jaruri nahi ki usi hi gaon me milti thi jinke wo niwasi the, aisa mai bahut Jaato ko janta hun jinke purvajo ko kisi Riyasat, rajwada ya thikane ne Zameendara diya hai bahut dur kahi.
mai apse ye nahi kah raha hun ki Gokul Jaat ji ka kya gotr tha or kya nahi mai bas apki is baat ka jawab de raha hun ki zameen kahi bhi mil jati thi pahle
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New gotra
Sir i dont know why are you relating khare of west u.p with grandson of krishna or khir whatever. Khare were migrated from the punjab in 18 century . They are from khehra s in punjab khehra or khaira are called khara in local language and from khara they have also became khare in some of the regions of punjab also.
Sir i want clear some doubts related to the khare jats living in the west u.p. I ll be waiting for your reply ... Mayank rasulpur
New Page on Aurangzeb
Burdak ji, Namaste. I have created a new page - Aurangzeb. You may expand it suitably. Please also give more links in the bottom of the page "Jatland Links". Thanks. --Dndeswal (talk) 04:58, 2 February 2015 (EST)
want to add my jatt gotra
hello sir,
I want to add my gotra "Madad" in jatland wiki... Thanks
Balram Singh Vs. Bal Ram Jat
Burdak ji, Namaste. Please check these pages - Bal Ram Jat and Balram Singh. I doubt it is the same person. If so, please get the pages merged. Dndeswal (talk) 02:20, 2 March 2015 (EST)
sir,information regarding this gotra on internet is not correct as those are editing by individual users..so i wanted to know is this gotra virdi having any alternate ancient name or different name in history,,so as to find its roots from history,,any gazzetts regarding this gotra
Gujarat Jat officers
Sir,
grt efforts, some corrections for the page Jats in Gujarat.
Jat officers in Gujarat.
Mahavir Singh Dagar - IAS 1984 batch , P S Narmada and Water Resources Department, Gujarat
Tirth Raj Singh - IPS, 1991 batch, ADGP, Human Rights.
Ajay Tomar - IG - BSF, New delhi(on deputation)
Smt. Sunaina Tomar - IAS from Rajasthan, Jt. Sec, Textiles Ministry(on deputation)
Shamsher Singh - IG - ACB, Gujarat.
Ajay Bhadu - IAS 1999 batch, PS to CM, originally from Sikar Rajasthan.
Vijay Nehra - IAS 2001 batch, Rajkot Municipal Commissioner, originally from Sihot Chhoti (Sikar), Rajasthan.
Sandeep Singh - IPS 2004 batch, Surat Rural SP, From shamli (gotra chauhan)
Anil Dhaka - IRS 2004, Additional Commissioner Income Tax, Ahmedabad.
Rajkumar Beniwal - IAS 2004 batch , Collector Ahmedabad, originally from Mandawara, Hindaun, Karauli, Rajasthan.
Rajesh Manjhu - IAS 2004 batch, Jt. Secy to Govt., (Budget), Finance Deptt, Gandhinagar.
Manish Godara - IRS 2007 batch, Deputy Commisioner Customs, Gandhidham.
Dharmveer Tandi - IRAS 2008 batch, Railways, Bhavnagar.(from Jodhpur)
Vidhi chaudhary - IPS 2009 batch, DCP Zone 7, Ahmedabad.(from balsamand, nagaur)
Ram Ratan Nala - IFS 2011 batch, DCF - GIR, Junagad( from merta, nagaur)
Sanjeev Chahar - IRS 2011 batch, ADIT - Gandhidham(investigation wing) (from chirawa, Jhunjhunu)
Gautam Singh Chaudhary - IRS 2012 batch, ACIT Baroda.(from khinvsar, Nagaur)
Dharmendra Punia, IRS 2012, ADIT Jamnagar.
Sharavan Ram, IRS 2012, Customs, Surat.(from merta, nagaur)
Vikram Singh Malik, IAS 2012, Daman, (agmut cadre)
Praveen Chaudhary, IAS 2013, SDM Kheda, (from balsamand, nagaur)
Mohan Ram Legha, IFS 2013, ACF, Vyara, Narmada.
Vikas Siyol, GJS 2012, JFCM Ahmedbabd.(from Barmer)(son in law of Sawai Singh Godara IPS)
Himanshu Chaudhary, GJS 2012, JFCM Anand.(from Bikaner)
Narendra Singh, GJS 2012, JFCM Junagad.(from nagaur)
Sunil Chaudhary, GJS 2012,Viramgam
Arjun Singh, GJS 2012, Bharuch -- by Rynsingh
Thanks Singh Saheb for corrections. I have updated all concerned pages on Wiki. Laxman Burdak (talk) 02:49, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
दहिया गोत्र
आदरणीय लक्ष्मण जी,
आपके जाट क्लाण और जाट वंश के ऊपर लिखे आर्टिकल को पढ़ा, उसे पढ़ने में कुछ असुविधा हुई क्योंकि वह हिंदी में नहीं था और दूसरी बात यह की एक वंश में 2 गोत्र हो सकते है पर एक गोत्र में 2 वंश नहीं हो सकते परंतु दहिया गोत्र नागवंश में भी है और सूर्यवंश में भी ऐसा क्यों कृपया इस बारे में जानकारी दे ।
अभिमन्यू जी ऐसा प्रतीत होता है कि मूल रूप से दहिया चंद्रवंशी हैं परंतु नागवंशियों में से कुछ लोग दहिया राज्य संघ में सम्मिलित हुये होंगे जिसके कारण दहिया को नागवंश कुछ इतिहासकारों द्वारा बताया जा रहा है। खोज जारी है। अंतिम रूप से तथ्यों का पता लगने पर सुधार किया जाएगा। Laxman Burdak (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
Duplicate files need to be cleaned up
Please see Special:ListDuplicatedFiles - click on the "has a duplicate" link...
Links should be updated and dupes deleted (in most cases only one of the file is linked from any content page.
Image attributes
When defining the size of thumbnails, we need to use only standard sizes - lets say 150px, 300px ONLY.
using multiple sizes can cause significant issue with client side performance (and server load). every defined size is cached to improve render speed. however, this leads to multiple files being created (everytime a new size is specified), all of which then need to be downloaded to the client side which actually slows the user experience. user side caching, which is supposed to speed up performance becomes ineffective.
example:
[ [File:Ratlam district - 2.jpg|thumb|400px|Location of Badauta in Ratlam District] ] in Badauda_Ratlam - there are 6 different attributes used for this file on different pages.
Similarly, Bhilwara_District2.jpg has 11 different attributes currently.
Please discuss with other mods and settle on standardization (2, or maybe 3 sizes at most). as we edit pages, ideally we'd change all attribute size if they are different from standards...
keje and meware jat
Please explain about these two cateogories of jats of mandsaur district of madhya pradesh, who are keje jats and who are meware jats and which gotras come in keje and which come in meware and why they do not have martial relations.
Thank u
hello,
please change Lochan Sehra - IAS 2002 batch , IG stamps, originally from Sikroda Jatt (Hindaun), Karauli, Rajasthan.
is from meena community.
I do not think it is worthwhile to give undeserving importance to such stuff on Jatland wiki which has its own worth and authenticity as regards reconstruction of history of the Jats.
The page of the book under reference have no sort of historical evidence, no systematic connectivity of thought or events or narration. Language : less said better.
Now it is up to you to decide one way or the other. Kindly consult DN Deswal ji also on the issue. DrRajpalSingh (talk) 02:44, 5 October 2015 (EDT)
Hello
Burdakji what is roll back as mentioned on the wiki recent changes page and what role a moderator has in this function.
He has sent the raw matter through email for helping you out to do wikifying. But on reading it I do not find any coherence, comprehensiveness of the raw matter. It is totally haphazard stuff. I have told him on phone that it requires re-writing in proper format of a book so that we could then re-arrange its wikifying.
But he is not ready to listen and persists that we edit and do further wikiying. What can we do now.
sir banthali teh. deoli distt. tonk me gana/gaina(20), dhayal(5), seshma(1) and naga(1) clan k jat rahte h jatland.com par Banthali me naga gotra nahi batayi gayi h ath: aapse nivedan h ki naga gotra bhi add krne ki kripa kre
thanku
Mukesh Gaina (banthali tonk) Ph.D. scholar
Mpuat udaipur 9660271919
aapke number mukeshbanthali@yahoo.com /9660271919 par send krne ki kirpa kre
Reply on this issue still awaited from your side. This is important point as if he were non Jat and given space here on wiki then uncontrollable intrusion of non jats would start on wiki.
The following contributor has added Rajput word with Dalal gotra origin of rulers on 13th Dec.
Rathorejaat (Talk | contribs | block)
Is there any historically acceptable evidence/reference for the same or They are made cross breed of rajput man badgujjar woman union = Dalal Jats!!
To me this seems to figment of imagination whether bhat jogi or the present talk contributor. If it is notso proof may be asked from the contributor.--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 10:49, 15 December 2015 (EST)
Solid evidence needed
The following contributor has added Rajput word with Dalal gotra origin of rulers on 13th Dec.
Rathorejaat (Talk | contribs | block)
Is there any historically acceptable evidence/reference for the same or They are made cross breed of rajput man badgujjar woman union = Dalal Jats!!
To me this seems to figment of imagination whether bhat jogi or the present talk contributor. If it is notso proof may be asked from the contributor.--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2015 (EST)
Change the title of the page created
Navdeep Singh Virk may be replaced to Jagdish Bains new page created.
Yes, I stand corrected and request you kindly to set the page accordingly.--DrRajpalSingh (talk) 22:19, 1 January 2016 (EST)
Harihar Niwas Dwivedi, Dilli Ke Tomar, book kaise mil sakti please answer do
तोमर वंश
how can i got the copy of dilli ke tomar by harharniwas devedi
सर तोमरो के इतिहास पर महाराजा सलकपाल देव तोमर ट्रस्ट के दुवारा शोध् जारी है तोमर जाटों पर मुख्य रूपसे बाघपत के तोमरो पर दो बुक देश के तोमर और तोमर रत्न सलकपाल लिखी जा सकती है।
एक बुक शोधरत है जो इंडिया के तोमरो पर है इस बुक के लोए हमने डेटा कलेक्ट किया जैसे वंशावली मेरी वंशावली में दिल्ली नरेश सलकपाल से 32 वि पीढ़ी में हूँ साथ ही भारतवर्ष में 700 मुख्य गाव और कुल 1440 गाव में तोमर वंश अपनी उपशाखा के रूप में निवास करती है
यह सब शीघ्र ही जाटलैंड पर डाला जायेगा
आप से रिक्वेस्ट है आप मारवाड़ और शेखावाटी क्षेत्र में निवास करने वाले बिजरनिया और गढ़वाल गोत्र के बारे में सटीक जानकरI दे
about ghirth community
sir plz tell me who are ghirth. are they jat or not? bcz they are also landlords and having huge land in HP. and there gotras are as hindu jat. listed in your gotra list and sir why not this jat community has been identified yet if they are jat. as ghirth is pahari word and Chang is Punjabi name and Chang is jat gotra
Hello Laxman Ram Burdak ji
Filling honoured that i am talking to you sir, Just wanted to share some of my thoughts with you,
Jatland is a wonderful website, not only for jats, i think for everyone. Jatland is not just for Jats now, its growing very well. And would like to suggest you, we should let it grow for everyone. one day this Jatland will be famous like wikipedia it self. Just don't open it only for jat community. It feels like casteism. I respect that we both are jats but now its time we should think big. Please allow people to write about anything in the world.
And Yes some times i copy stuff from wikipedia because i think all that is authentic and genuine, but if you don't like that i can stop doing so. Please guide me how should i go about this.
And sir if u can help me putting 2 articles on wikipedia, please help me if u can ? i dont know how to do it on wikipedia
Sir i will make as many articles for you on jatland, but please make two articles on wikipedia for me if u can, i would be really greatful. I tried making it on wikipedia but every time i make it, it shows error to me.
I need two articles there, just same as Vishal Malik and 2 article is on my father Dharampal Singh Malik. i Know you can do it. If u will do this for me. I will make 20 articles for you on jatland. But please help me sir
Atleast for humanity. I tried asking for help from many people but no one know how to operate it. you are the only one who know about this properly.
Also tell me sir, is it possible to be Wiki Moderator like you, i also wanna join jatland as moderator. What should i do to join you ?
Well this is my whats app number sir +19059661214 and my email ID - ichapter1947@gmail.com
Thank you and also looking forward from you
I Know sir ! You, Dayanand ji, Prem Sukh ji and Dr Rajpal Singh ji are moderators but i also know, you all four not related to each other. So why cant i work with you ?
And second thing, aapne answer nahi deya. will you help me in creating those two articles on wikipedia or not ?
wow Awesome ! Thankyou sir..............you are just awesome
In return if you want my help in anything i would love to help you
Really Thankyou once again ! That really means a lot to me
Burdak ji, it seems the page on Mamluk Dynasty of Delhi seems to have been deleted. I do not know how did it happen. Please try to restore it. It had many redirects also. --Dndeswal (talk) 22:36, 26 December 2016 (EST)
I tried to restore it and succeeded. Still, pl. check. --Dndeswal (talk) 22:41, 26 December 2016 (EST)
Page on "Kshatriyas"
Burdak ji, Namaste. I have found two identical pages - Kshatriya and Kshatriyas. Both have different texts. Please have a look and merge the texts and re-direct one of them. Dndeswal (talk) 04:56, 12 February 2017 (EST)
Page on Taj Mahal
Burdak ji, Namaste. I have created a page on Taj Mahal. Please expand it, giving references from Jat History etc. Also, please allot suitable categories. Dndeswal (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2017 (EST)
Page on Dr. Ram Pratap
Burdak ji, I have amended the page on Dr. Ram Pratap. The original page showed that his gotra is Sahu. I have corrected it to Sohu, because at page Rajasthan (MLAs list), his name is written as Ram Pratap Sohu. Please check whether his gotra is Sahu or Sohu. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 04:31, 9 March 2017 (EST)
Burdak ji, Namaste. I have found that MP (1977) from Kairana constituency Shri Chandan Singh belonged to Kheri Karmu village. His bio data is available at LS website. Pl. see the page - I have mentioned at page whether it can be ascertained that he belonged to Jat community or not (since gotra is not mentioned in name). If yes, a page can be created. This can be checked from a reliable source. Regards. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 04:32, 27 March 2017 (EDT)
Burdak ji, Namaste. Please check whether village pages Kotra Bhopal and Kotra Chopra are the same place. If so, please have them merged. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 08:26, 17 November 2017 (EST)
Regarding a misconception.
Sir,
Recently i discovered that, the mentioned villages , Alimpura and Amlaiya are actually same at ground.
Amlaiya is the ancient name, the present official name is Alimpura.
I request you to make changes, as suggested. --Ashokchoudhry (talk) 10:56, 2 March 2018 (EST)
I have merged both. See Alimpura. Can you tell me its tahsil?Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:06, 2 March 2018 (EST)
Peeplu is the tehsil of Alimpura. --Ashokchoudhry (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2018 (EST)
Your village name
What is your village name and tahsil?Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:16, 2 March 2018 (EST)
Sir, you are mistaken. I belong to jaipur, not tonk. Ashokchoudhry (talk) 12:45, 2 March 2018 (EST)
For vote and citation on Wikipedia against deletion of page Todawata
Hello, Laxman Ji, few days ago I have created a page Todawata on Wikipedia. But a Wikipedia user nominate it for deletion, so I request you to give your valuable time to vote and cite any reliable source. here is the link of deletion entry. Thanks - Ashokchoudhry (talk) 06:19, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
I know this topic is not related with this wiki but you can help me against deletion of this page from Wikipedia. Ashok TodawataTalk 07:12, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
Laxmanji, can you install the inputbox extension in JatLand Wiki. here is the link if you interested. I would be happy if you are interested in it. - Ashok TodawataTalk 11:52, 19 March 2018 (EDT)
Use of InputBox
I'm making new templates for this wiki, so the inputbox extension help me to get different types of values from users and make operations over values.
The inputbox extension make this wiki more attractive and convenient. Here is the link with instructions. Ashok TodawataTalk 11:00, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
Laxmanji, there are multiple pages of a user. Chaudhary Amit Singh Gahlyan and User:Amitgahlyan06, both are same and contains same content. It increases the redundancy. As per my views please merge both pages. Thankyou. Ashok TodawataTalk 06:42, 8 May 2018 (EDT)
Thanks Ashokji. I have removed content from User page. User page will remain there as it is automatically generated. Writes wants his own page. Let it be. But removed multiple content. Hope it will do. Laxman Burdak (talk) 07:16, 8 May 2018 (EDT)
Thanks Laxmanji, to pay attention to my point. Ashok TodawataTalk 07:25, 8 May 2018 (EDT)
Same gotras
Laxmanji, please see Sihag and Siwal. Are they both same or not, there are links redirects to both pages. Thanks. Ashok TodawataTalk 12:38, 12 May 2018 (EDT)
We should keep same pattern of transliteration. You can see in above Rajasthani dictionary the Tips for pronunciation of Rajasthani words are: a (अ ) as a in "America", ā (आ) as a in “father”; i (इ) as i in “ill”, ī (ई) as ee in “eel”; u (उ) as u in “full”, ū (ऊ) as oo in “fool”; ṇ as nna (ण), ḷ as lla (ळ), ṅ as nga (ङ), ñ as nya (ञ), ś as sha (श), ṣ as ssa (ष), ḍ as dda (ड़), ṭ as ट, t as त
This is standard International practice. So let us use same in all dictionaries. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 01:30, 24 May 2018 (EDT)
Thanks Laxmanji for this info. Ashok TodawataTalk 04:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
How to transliterate द and ड in this pattern. Ashok TodawataTalk 08:00, 1 June 2018 (EDT)
Ashokji Vansh is not of much significance in Jats. It is clan that matters. We can remove Vansh entry which is empty in most cases in info-box. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
Thanks for suggestion, Vansh section has been removed from the Info-Box. Ashok TodawataChat 12:08, 10 July 2018 (EDT)
Gotra page for Rohlan
See Rohlan: On this page some member has shown "अर्पणा रोलण - वर्तमान जिला प्रमुख सीकर" as prominent person of this gotra. This is wrong as her surname may be Rolan/Rollan but she is NOT a Jat. She belongs to SC category. She is a prominent person no doubt but not from this gotra of Jat caste.
Kindly look at sr. 919 at following link: <http://rajpanchayat.rajasthan.gov.in/Portals/0/ZP%20Members%20.pdf>
Let us not change the main page because there is involvement of admins in formatting the main page. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 05:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Editing "Haldeena" page
Burdak ji, I have not deleted some gotras in Haldeena page. While editing the page, I was making a wikitable in gotras section where a long list of 17 gotras was appearing. I had only tried to arrange the gotra names in three horizontal lines. In first attempt, some extra words were inserted while copy-paste of template. After finding the mistake, these superfluous words were deleted. --Dayanand Deswal (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks a lot.
Zahidpur Gaon ki Jankari
Dear Sir
Maine jo bhi changes kiye h history wo shi kiye h . Main Zahidpur gaon ka niwasi hun . Or Yhn ki schai humse accha koi ni janta h .
Mujhe apke iss massages ke pta ni tha . Ab bhi jo mne changes kiye h . Shi h .
History of deswal m . Inhone 5 bhega jamin mandir ko di h . Or 300 bheega inki jameen thi . Fir inhone paiso ki tangi ke chalte 100 bheega jameen bach di . Or. Ye main gotra nhi h . Ye yhn p apne nana ji ke ghr p rhte h
Gulia gotra ki bhi history bhejunga 2 3 din m . Aapp review kr skte h
Dhynwad
Saini and mali are different castes
Saini and Mali are different castes please donot use mali in bracket with saini caste as both are totally different in punjab, in punjab saini is upper caste having much land than jatts, you can see mali group in rajasthan have started using Saini surnames in 1937 only rajput mali before this saini is declared martial caste
http://www.sainionline.com/neo-saini-groups/post-1930-appropriation-of-saini-identity-by-mali-castePunjabier (talk) 03:52, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
नया ईमेल
नमस्ते लक्ष्मण जी। आपको एक नया ईमेल भेजा है। कृपया देखें। --AshokTalk 13:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
New User - Ramesh Kumar P
Burdak ji, Namaste. Please see page of Ramesh Kumar P, a new member (seems to be a non-Jat (Brahmin). --Dayanand Deswal (talk) 07:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
File:Ancestral Scythian migration of Jat people.gif
Dear sir, are you able to view the above mentioned file on Jatland Wiki pages? — HardeepMoar (talk) 08:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
I can see only after I click the thumbnail and picture is full. Not on thumbnail. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear sir, there must be a way to fix. It used to work just fine, but for quite some time, it's not working! Can we get it fixed? Regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
And, yes, I can also only view the file under the exactly same condition as described by you above. Regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear sir, I just opened Special:Preferences, went to the section Appearance (Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering) and then to its sub–section Files, and changed Image size limit on file description pages from the default lower limit to 1024x768px and now I am able to view the file simply by visiting it. However, I am still not able to view it on the Jatland Wiki pages. It's something that needs to be fixed for our readers. Regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear sir, in this edit, you added that "James Tod writes that Mor clan is found in Sindh.(ref: James Todd Annals/Sketch of the Indian Desert, Vol. III,p. 1293). However, on visiting the referenced page on Jatland Wiki, I found that Tod had not written about the Mors on page 1293. However, on page 1300, he has written: "There was a settlement of this tribe at Sarangpur on the Kali Sind River." Kali Sindh in Madhya Pradesh. Is there any reference that suggests that Mor clan people are in Sindh or were in Sindh during the British Raj? Regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear sir, thank you for your reply. It appears that I was mistaken. Regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 15:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Required: minor Fix
Namaste, dear sir. We require a minor fix that can be done only by your or other administrators' JL Wiki account only. On page 309 of Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Chapter III, it is written: "मौर्य या मौर [[Chandravanshi}चन्द्रवंशी जाटों]] का..." There, kindly replace the character "}" with the character "|". Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 20:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Done !
Bhatoa
Namaste, dear sir. I would like to respectfully request for you to review this page: Bhatoa. Is this a gotra of Jats? In Punjab? Regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
प्रस्ताव
नमस्ते लक्ष्मण जी, मुझे कई दिनो से जटलैंड विकि पर एक कमी महसूस हो रही है। यहाँ विकि से संबन्धित चर्चाओं के लिए एक दूसरे के वार्ता पृष्ठों (Talk pages) पर जाना पड़ता है। क्यों न एक कॉमन पृष्ठ बना लिया जाए? जहां सभी सदस्य अपनी बात रख सके और विकि संबन्धित परेशानियों पर ध्यानकर्षण कर सकें। --AshokTalk 16:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
एक एसा पेज जिसे सब अपनी Watchlist में रखें। और समय-समय पर उसे देखते रहें। जिस प्रकार विकिपीडिया पर होता है। हिन्दी विकिपीडिया का ही उदाहरण ले लीजिये, वहाँ "चौपाल" नाम से पृष्ठ है और सभी आवश्यक चर्चाएँ उसी पृष्ठ पर होती है। मेरे कहने का सार यही है की जो भी चर्चाएँ हो रहीं है वे एक पृष्ठ पर हो। --AshokTalk 17:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Jatland Wiki:Chaupal कैसा रहेगा? वैसे आप उत्तर यहाँ दे सकते है। मेरी नजर आपके वार्ता पन्ने पर हमेशा रहती है। :D --AshokTalk 17:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
सही है. पेज बनाकर सक्रिय सदस्यों को सूचित कर सकते हैं. Laxman Burdak (talk) 17:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Good idea. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 15:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
लक्ष्मण जी, आपसे एक अनुरोध और था, MediaWiki:Sidebar पृष्ठ में चौपाल पृष्ठ को जोड़ दिया जाए तो आसानी से इस पृष्ठ पर पहुंचा जा सकता है। 'Wiki home' के नीचे इसका लिंक सही रहेगा। --AshokTalk 17:02, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
इसके लिए **Jatland Wiki:Chaupal|Chaupal लगा दें। --AshokTalk 17:18, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
आपका बहुत-बहुत धन्यवाद। :) --AshokTalk 17:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Request
Namaste, dear sir! Kindly delete this File:Natalya Romanovna.jpg. I tried uploading a better version, but, something went wrong. After the deletion, I will upload the desired image. It's better to do it all over again. I will fix this, once you delete it. Sorry!
Also, you may reply here. I always have a look at the talk pages of users to who I write messages. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, sir! However, it appears that since the file was once created/uploaded, so the system caused the same problem while uploading it again under the same name. It's just that the problem persisted and the desired result was not achieved. So, I have uploaded the file with another name (full name of the Indologist – for a change in file's name).
I Would like to make another request to delete this File:Natalya Romanovna.jpg for the last time. Now, I am going to the relevant pages to replace the old file with the new one. I apologize to you, once again. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, sir! Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:23, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Request for Reverts: List of Punjab Chiefs
Namaste, dear sir! Kindly revert the Edits on page List of Punjab Chiefs to last revision by yourself. It's required! After you do that, I would manually revert the problematic Edits made by User:Gurindersandhu and others. If I do that now, then my Edits would get overridden anyways during the revert to last revision by yourself. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 13:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Once you do that, I would get busy fixing this page. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 13:19, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Reverted edits by user MYRA. Should he be blocked? Laxman Burdak (talk) 14:24, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, sir! I suggest that we block this user as this user is making problematic edits. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
user MYRA has been blocked for one month. Laxman Burdak (talk) 14:33, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, sir! Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:35, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Request for Advice
Namaste, dear sir! Should we revert this or not? Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Also, kindly delete Bhatoa once again. It had already been deleted once at 14:08, 24 January 2020 by you. We have given enough time to the creator of this page to justify himself, but it seems that he's up to some kind of mischief. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 09:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Namaste Laxmanji, please delete the pages/files listed in the category Pages_for_deletion. I have also mentioned the link of this category at Chaupal in the TopBox. So, admins can reach this category easily. Thanks. --AshokTalk 15:57, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Deleted all above pages. Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:53, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Vandalism
Namaste, dear sir! Kindly permanently block Special:Contributions/OGJatt. He is vandalizing pages on JL Wiki, and would continue to do so if allowed to continue. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 06:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Blocked the user OGJatt.Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Kindly revert the changes made by him. I am also looking into that, but some of them may require rollback. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 06:19, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
The best way to restore content of JatLand Wiki:Chaupal is to revert the page Category:Nnjcx to last revision by Ashokchaudhary (revert my edits also, as I could not fix the page), and them move it to Jatland Wiki:Chaupal/or copy the entire content to JatLand Wiki:Chaupal. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 06:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
copied the entire content to JatLand Wiki:Chaupal Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
JatLand Library has also been Vandalized. Kindly do not delete any page unless we have fixed the damages done, and restored all of the content. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
reverts now not possible due to new edits. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I have restored the content of Jatland Library, but due to the moving of the JL Library to Talk:Fbdbxbc, the revision history of the page is not appearing. Can we fix this? Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:12, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
For some time, kindly block Editing to JL WIki by accounts not older than 6 months! It is required. Then, we would need to come up with an Editing policy. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
All members with recent creation of account and new edits blocked. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Dear sir, the more serious problem here would be loosing the Revision History of the articles. Kindly block editing by User whose accounts are not older than 6 months, for now! Then, we would discuss this situation on Chaupal. Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
There s something wrong. Jatland Library has been restored. Should we clear the content on its talk page which is the same as on Jatland Library page. Laxman Burdak (talk) 10:53, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
temporarily admin rights
Can I ask for temporarily admin rights on JL Wiki? So I can fix some pages. --AshokTalk 11:05, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Admin rights are given by Jatland Forum Admins. I am requesting him. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Namaste, dear sir! Ashok ji is working extremely well to handle this vandalism situation. I make a hand folded request to you to help him temporarily get admin rights. He has got it all covered, and can fix this today itself, if granted access to more rights. It is not in my place to say this to you (you may have a schedule to follow, and I understand that), but the situation demands that you stay online here to give time to his requests. Forgive me, if I overstepped my boundaries! Best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes Ashokji is doing very good work. I have sent email to System Admin for this. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, dear sir! Thank you so much for showing confidence in me.
Also, I hope that the admins will soon act upon your request to grant the special rights to Ashok ji so that he can fix the damages done during the vandalism of articles. He has got everything listed-up, and as soon as he gets the special rights, he will fix each and every thing that needs to be fixed. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
File:Sikar District2.jpg
Namaste, dear sir! A user has changed the Image of File:Sikar District2.jpg
I have advised him not do that again in future: User talk:Jethu11#Files on Wiki. Kindly look into this. I think you may want to undo what he has done. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 10:58, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
I think that his Edits to the File should be rolled-back. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
I have replaced the map. Thanks. Laxman Burdak (talk) 15:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Request for Comment: Namaste, dear sir! Kindly comment at Chaupal (sub–section: Consensus: Important Files on Wiki). Let's reach a consensus on this subject. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 15:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Page 43 and 49
Namaste, dear sir! The information mentioned at Khosa#Origin is cited to page 43 of the book, but I could not see that on page 43, however, on page 49, it is stated just on the beginning of the page. Should we not change the page number in the reference that's cited? Kindly look into this, and take a look at both of the pages. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:41, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Namaste, dear sir! The page Lalasar says, "Lalasar (लालासर) is a village in tahsil Dungargarh of district Churu in Rajasthan." The page Dungargarh Dungargarh says, "Dungargarh (डूंगरगढ़) is a town and tahsil in Bikaner district in Rajasthan. Earlier it used to be in Churu district."
Kindly make the necessary change, where required. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 10:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, dear sir! With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 18:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Kalsora
Namaste, dear sir! I was also working on page Kalsora at the same time, and it seems that there has been a mess up from my side. Kindly give me a few minutes time to fix that. I will fix my mistakes in moments. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear sir, all is well at that page. Changes by User:Mukesh1badrain are not there anymore, and only the changes by you are there on that page. I have checked that, again, more than once. Kindly accept my apologies for this mess up from my side. I will take more precaution in future. I have gone through every single section, thoroughly, to make sure that we haven't lost any content from that page.
Also, kindly have a look at this, to be even more certain that it's fixed: -3105 (removed by Mukesh1badrain) +3105 (reverted by you) -20 -122 -677 -587 (= -1406) (removed by you) -1699 (reverted by mistake by me) +1699 (restored immediately by me). Finally, total content removed from the article = -1406 (edits by you). With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 07:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Also, dear sir, since you also felt the need to remove some content that he had been removing continuously (though, he did that without any discussion with you or others), it appears that his intentions were not non-genuine. However, he had been told in the past also by you to stop removing content without discussion. So, he has been temporarily blocked, for one week only. Let's hope that he changes his way of editing after this disciplinary action, and makes more constructive edits. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 08:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Governor – a clan ?
Namaste, dear sir. Do Jats have this gotra: Governor? A user added it as a Jat gotra. For now, I have reverted that edit. He has also made the same kind of edit to another page which I had not reverted so far. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 12:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
I have removed Governor from Khokhri page. Keep a watch on him. Laxman Burdak (talk) 15:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, dear sir! I have taken the liberty to completely revert his edit, as the authenticity of information added by him cannot be ascertained. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 17:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Alka Lamba is not a jat
Alka Lamba is not a Jat, please remove her page. In case you are wondering that she must be a Sikh Jatt well no, she is a Punjabi Arora. Thank you , regards , Solankivich (talk)
Chandrapal Singh MP
Sir, please add Chaudhary Chandrapal Singh Tomar to the list of JAT Member of Parliament. He was two times MP from Amroha Lok Sabha in 1977 and 1980. Click here to read about him, he was a Jat, I know his grand son who is an IPS officer.
There are many member of parliaments missing from the list. Since only administrators can edit it so I will let you know about more.
Hello Sir, Someone edited the page Palam, can you please revert it to the one I did you can compare his and mine versions. I came to realize that the person has uploaded these pictures and these pictures are on many pages for no reason. Can you please check the user and stop him before he changes the facts of more pages.
Thank you , regards , Solankivich (talk)
babbar tribe
i am from pakistan and wanted to tell you about babbar tribe...i know that this is also found in india but it should not be confused with the baloch tribe named babbar jamali or babbar...i am from rajanpur and here babbar jamali tribe is settled...it is not from the descendants from raja karan but it is a subtribe of jamali baloch tribe...people of this tribe use surname khan , malik or both malik and khan....kindly your comments are needed here
my email id
hawkatbuisiness@gmail.com
Request to Add Jatt Gotra
Hello,
I would like to add my Jatt Gotra "Gondara", which I have created a wiki page for but it is not listed under Jat Gotras list/index.
Thank you
सरोहा गोत्र के महत्वपूर्ण व्यक्ति
आदरणीय,
सरोहा गोत्रीय लूम्ब (बागपत,उप्र) निवासी श्री हरपालसिंह "अरुष" देश के लब्ध प्रतिष्ठित लेखक व विचारक हैं ।दो दर्जन से अधिक मौलिक पुस्तकों के लेखक हैं ।दर्जनों छात्र उनके ऊपर पीएचडी कर चुके हैं ।आचार्य रामचंद्र शुक्ल सम्मान (उप्र सरकार),व UNद्वारा सम्मानित हो चुके हैं ।केन्द्र सरकार की साहित्य अकादमी की ज्यूरी के सदस्य भी रह चुके हैं।वर्तमान में मुजफ्फरनगर में रहते हैं।
Incomplete and false information about jat community on wikipedia.
Hello Sir,
Hope you are doing well.
As most people first go to wikipedia for information about anything. I have also visited a lot of pages on wikipedia about jats. The most astounding thing is that all the pages on wikipedia related to jats have negligible, incomplete or wrong depiction of jats. You can go to wikipedia pages of maharaja surajmal, jawahar singh, battle of maonda and mandholi etc and you can check yourself. I have updated and corrected the information a lot of times but everytime someone again edits them to earlier versions.
I was searching for the Jat Royal Estates, then I read about Magrora State in the Madhya Pradesh. On the Page of Magrora, the descendent of the Royal Family, Raja Kirti Singh Magrora have left a message on 29 December 2019. I guess none of the administrators have read that message yet. The Raja is unhappy with the information and he seems very angry about the misinformation about his ancestors. I hope he doesn't file any lawsuits against the Jatland Wiki. So I kindly request the Administrators to contact him and correct the data on that page. His informations is listed on that page.
Thank you , regards , Solankivich (talk) (avid reader on Jatland, and correcting the misinformation)
Deletions in Dhanda gotra page
Burdak ji, Namaste. I noticed that User:JEETUTOMARJAT deleted large text i.e. names of villages in Rajasthan under Dhanda gotra page. It seems he did it by mistake. I have reverted his edits under this page. Please have a look into it.
Hi, It is to add that "Phanden is a Gotra of jats and It's Missing within documentation"
Regards,
Ram
Saragarhi page
Burdak ji, Namaste. I found that page Saragarhi has not been allotted any category. I also did not allot one and thought of leaving the decision unto you. Pl. do the needful. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 15:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I have put categories. Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Khadauwa (खड़ौआ) ?
Namaste, dear sir! Khadauwa (खड़ौआ) has been added to Kareli village page recently. Is Khadauwa (खड़ौआ) a Jat gotra? At the moment, we do not have a page with that title. I have found a gotra page titled Khadaul (खडौल) which is a variant of Khandel, but because of the difference in pronunciation I have not redirected Khadauwa to Khadaul/Khandel. Is there any gotra page with a slightly different spellings where Khadauwa (खड़ौआ) may be redirected if it is a Jat gota? Please check this. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
The same user added Padla (village) as a gotra to Sehore tehsil page. We do not have any page for Padla gotra. Please check this also. There may have been some misunderstanding, so please check them. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Dear Santosh Kumar Thakur ( Sk56 ) Ji, I think there is some confusion here. Kindly comment in response to the above two comments. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Sk56 has been President of Jat Samaj Bhopal. So there can not be confusion regarding Jat Gotras. Many new Gotras are being added from MP. He is still new in editing Jatland so we have to bear with it. We will fix these things. Regards Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Modified these pages and fixed the problem. Laxman Burdak (talk) 13:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Sinsini
Namaste, dear sir! Years ago at Sinsini#Early_History, you added: "A group of Yadavas was follower of Shiv and Vedic God in Sindh." I just wanted you to take another look at it, just to be sure that no mistake had been made. Maybe, I am confusing something else with something here, but please check this. Also, you had not named any Vedic God but only wrote Vedic God. Is there enough information available to add a name? I just had a hunch, so asking you to take a look. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 10:58, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you sir! Your change makes sense to me. However, the hunch continues! Sorry for being curious, but an author named Shyam Singh Shashi had published the same content in 1996 as it is in the section [1]. Do you know if he was the first to publish these words (I think he wasn't), or has he cited the content from another historian's book or some online blog? I have noticed that sometimes authors just copy non-copyrighted content in books, so there is a possibility that he may have published it but had got it from somewhere else and he published it without cross checking for errors. Now, it's all over the internet! Can we locate the original source book or article? I think he might had copied the words from some non-copyrighted content. What was our source? Also, you can reply here as I always check back for replies. With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 11:33, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Burdak ji, Namaste. It seems that Sarwadiya and Sarudiya gotras are the same, with slight difference in spellings. If so, pl. merge these pages. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 22:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Namaste dear sir! We have Jangwar (जंगवार) mentioned in Bharatpur#Jat Gotras. At the moment, we do not have a page for Jangwar but Jangwal has been redirected to Janghara (जंघारा). Should we redirect Jangwar to Janghara or is it a separate gotra? With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 15:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Dear sir, Namaste! Thank you! With respect and best regards, — HardeepMoar (talk) 04:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Recent edits by User Sk56
Burdak ji, Namaste. User:Sk56 has recently made good contribution by adding Jat Gotras to some Jat-village pages in Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh. Since he has not added these to respective gotras pages (he may not be knowing some editing tools in wiki), I have done so. But I could not recognise some gotra names (maybe by different spellings or, maybe, those are new gotras unlisted so far). Would you pl. see pages Kulthe, Barwaha and Daulatpura Barwaha? I have made short comments in "Jat Gotras" sub-titles of these villages' pages.
Burdak ji, Namaste. User:Sk56 has replaced Vapcha with Bopcha while editing page Buranabad. Pl. check whether both these gotras are the same. If so, these gotra-pages need to be merged or redirected. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 00:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello sir. I had some doubts regarding their village. Later I verified it and found them right. No issues now. Thank you. Lokesh Khoth
Dholia gotra
आदरणीय लक्ष्मण जी,मैंने dholia गोत्र के पेज पर से सूचना इसलिए मिटाई थी क्यू की ढोलिया और धोलिया,धौल्या,धौलिया गोत्र एक ही है और इसे आप धौलिया गोत्र के पेज के साथ merge कर दे,एक गोत्र के लिए अलग अलग पेज बनाना मात्र भ्रम ही पैदा करता है । अत आप ढोलिया को धौलिया के साथ मर्ज कर दे।
What is the gotra of my village Bahin, Palwal?? Some say Rawat and others say Chhonkar. Which gotra should be used in marriage purposes?? I am using Rawat as my gotra.
...Rajsjaat20911
You have deleted this well referenced sentence from Rawat history, which is answer to your querry....Rawat (रावत) and Sahrawat were only titles used by Chandravanshi sardars which later began to be used as gotras. Chhonkar is Gotra and Rawat is title. Laxman Burdak (talk) 05:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Need info
नमस्कार जनाब, सर आपसे थोड़ी सी सहायता चाहिए थी, आपने आगरा पर पेज बनाया था, उसपर यह claimed है कि आगरा की स्थापना अग्रे जाटों ने करी थी, परन्तु इसका कोई संदर्भ नहीं दिया गया था, आपसे दर्ख्यासत है कि आप इस विषय में कोई संदर्भ भी प्राप्त क्राएँ, बड़ा उपकार होगा।
pages to be merged.
Sir, you had a created a page named Hega on the Jat clan Hanga, but actually, the gotras Hega & Hanga are same(as all we know), so i request you to, merge down both of the pages, one is Hega & other one is Hanga.
सर मैंने एक फाइल अपलोड करी थी,
आप इधर देख सकते हैं- File तो इसमें कमेंट/comment में गलती से एक जगह 409AD लिख गया है, उसे हटाना है, मेरी ओर से नहीं हो पा रहा, कृपया आप हटा दें, उपकार।
ChReyanshSingh (talk) 01:10, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Merger of Hun and Henga
Sir, actually I need a one more favour, recently I had added some information on Page Agre which is still in development(changes need to be done soon), actually as bs dahiya already wrote, that Hun and Heng are none but same gotras that are originated from Hiungnu Clan, so there are two pages one is Hun and the other one is Agre (Hanga), can you please merge down the both!
माफ़ कीजिएगा सर, जानकारी नहीं थी के उनको मर्ज नहीं करना है, इसलिए अनजाने में हो गया, आगे से ध्यान रखेंगे।
वैसे मैं यह भी जानना चाहता था कि आखिर उनको मर्ज क्यों नहीं किया जा सकता??
और यदि नहीं कर सकते तो कोई बात नहीं, लेकिन क्या हम हैंग पेज पर उस बात को लिख सकते हैं, की हेंगा और हूण एक ही जाट गोत्र है, जैसे कि इतिहासकार बीएस दहिया के लेखों को पढ़ने से स्पष्ट होता है।
हंबल रिक्वेस्ट- यदि हंगा जाट ही नहीं जानेंगे कि उनके इतने बड़े बड़े साम्राज्य रहे और उन्होंने इतना महान् इतिहास रचा, तो मेरा जाटलैंड वेबसाइट को ज्वॉइन करने का मक़सद ही अधूरा है। उनकी उत्पत्ति व इतिहास के बारे में उन्हें बताना ही मेरा फिलहाल एकमात्र लक्ष्य है।
सर, हम जानते हैं कि हंगा और हूण एक ही है।
पी एटवुड, और बीएस दहिया के लेखों से स्पष्ट है।
तो फिर भला इन्हें एक साथ रखने में दिक्कत कैसी, बस यही जानना चाहता था, धन्यवाद्। ChReyanshSingh (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
sir, i had written a book on Jat History, so can i add it here on Jatland Wiki???
with many refrences and information i had written a great history book??
so, can i add it here????
ChReyanshSingh (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Favour please
Sir, I had recently added the thoughts of Historian Dalip Singh Ahlawat about Hanga Clan, on the page named Hanga, with reference to his book जाट वीरों का इतिहास from page 324, so can you check that the provided information is valid to upload or not, because I don't want to creat troubles like last time, so can you please just check that provided info.(on page Hanga)
It is OK. Page in ref was misprint as 234 which I have corrected. Provided direct link to the chapter of the book. Thanks. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
new template. please forward!
Sir,
I would like to request you to see and share and use the template, which i had recently created, actually i have less time to use it, but i thought that you may help me by applying that template file, in Ruler's pages, i created it to use down on ruler's pages but unfortunately our members dosen't know about it, so i request you to please share this information to all of our members, and also to apply or use it.
here is the template, so please forward the message.
I will made an another template for our warriors, like Rajaram Jat or Gokul Singh
these templates are useful and very heplful for us, to introduce our warriors and rulers, for example you could see this page(on Raja Kulchand).
So, when the other template(on Warriors) will be prepared, i will inform you, untill that you please use the previous template(on Rulers). Also please forward this message to all our members, so that they can also help us by applying these templates on such pages.
Thank You, With Best Regards!! ChReyanshSingh (talk) 06:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
New Template, Please Forward!!
Sir,
I would like to request you to see and share and use the template, which i had recently created, actually i have less time to use it, but i thought that you may help me by applying that template file, in Ruler's pages, i created it to use down on ruler's pages but unfortunately our members dosen't know about it, so i request you to please share this information to all of our members, and also to apply or use it.
here is the template, so please forward the message.
I will made an another template for our warriors, like Rajaram Jat or Gokul Singh
these templates are useful and very heplful for us, to introduce our warriors and rulers, for example you could see this page(on Raja Kulchand).
So, when the other template(on Warriors) will be prepared, i will inform you, untill that you please use the previous template(on Rulers). Also please forward this message to all our members, so that they can also help us by applying these templates on such pages.
Thank You, With Best Regards!! ChReyanshSingh (talk) 06:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Self ban
Sir I want to delet my account as I don’t want to use it anymore
Banned User:Ekamjotsinghh
Help please
sir, actually by mistaken i had created a page named Hsing-nu, as it is created by mistake so can you please remove(delete) the page, as i am not able to do please??
ChReyanshSingh (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Sir bihar ke dusadh gotra Ke bare me jankari chahiye ,bihar me inki jansankhya 60 lakh se bhi jyada hai
Book by Mangal Sen Jindal
Help, please ! Sir there is a book named, "History of Origin of Some Clans in India" by Mangal Sen Jindal, actually you had created a page on it, so it's quite obvious that you have it's hardcopy available, so i want a little help, in the same book, Author wrote greatness about Jats(had been uploaded by you) but i would like to gain information from the book, about Agreya Ganrajya, had the author mentioned any connection between Agroha and the Jats?? So, pleas help!
Reyansh ji, I got hard copy of this book in part only. Only the portion relating to Jats was sent to me by Jat Samaj Kalyan Parishad Gwalior. You can try there. Laxman Burdak (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Can I add a book!
Sir, you had uploaded an appreciable work on BS Dahiya's book namely "Jats the Ancient Rulers" in English language, so as we know many of our Indian Jats have a problem in English Reading, so I would like to ask you about to upload a Hindi version(जाट प्राचीन शासक!) on this Jatland Wiki, so that other people would also going to read it, whom having problems while reading or understanding in English language, I have the hard copy of the Hindi version so can I starts, wiki formatting??
Just taking the permission! With Regards Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 04:27, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
सर,
टाइप करने में कोई दिक्कत नहीं, वह तो मेरा कार्य है, मैने दहीनाम पब्लिकेशंस से किताब, "जाट प्राचीन शासक" मंगवाली है, अब उसे अपलोड करने की देर है, उसके लिए परमिशन ले रहा था, और यदि इज़ाजत हो तो कार्य शुरू किया जाए? पर अभी थोड़ा बसी हूं, बादमें किया जायेगा, अभी सिर्फ़ पूछ रहा था!
What is the copy right of this edition. If there is no copyright you can proceed.Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:00, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
सर, दहिनाम पब्लिशर्स से मंगवाई हुई किताब है, ओरिजनल बब्लिशर्स से मंगवाने पर तो, मुझे नहीं लगता की कोई कॉपीराइटेड वर्क होगा?
Burdak Sir, Namaste. By the way, Bhera Bharatpur name makes some confusion. Is it located in Rajasthan or UP? Please make suitable changes. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 05:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Burdak Sir, I have removed a short paragraph from page Chaudhari Bharat Singh (of Nilothi village, Delhi), just edited by you on 17 May.
Actually that paragraph, earlier inserted by late Dr. Rajpal Singh, was with regard to late Bharat Singh Shokeen of Dichaon Kalan village (whom I used to know personally). Interestingly, both of them belonged to Shokeen gotra (though from two different villages in Delhi) and were popularly known as "Chaudhary Bharat Singh". Hence this confusion. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 10:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Deswalji for correction. Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Mauryan Empire
सर आपने मौर्य साम्राज्य पर एक पेज बनाया था, "पेज" तो इसमें राहुल संक्रत्यान की पुस्तक बौद्ध दर्शन के पृष्ठ 19 का ज़िक्र किया गया है, हालांकि मेरे पास किताब मौजूद है लेकिन फिर भी ऐसा कुछ मुझे पृष्ठ 19 पर देखने को नही मिला, आपसे आग्रह है की यदि आपके पास पृष्ठ 19 का स्क्रीनशॉट हो तो कृपया उसे शेयर करें, अर्जेंट और आवश्यक है।
Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Tell me the exact location where it appears. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
सर, इस लिंक को विजिट करने से आप रेफरेंस 2 पर रेडिरेक्ट होगे, तो उसके जस्ट ऊपर ही एके मित्तल अटल सिंह खोखर और राहुल संक्रत्यान कि पुस्तकों का जिक्र है, उसी में राहुल की पुस्तक बौद्ध दर्शन के पृष्ठ 19 का ज़िक्र है, जिसकी मुझे आवश्यकता है।Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 03:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Sir,
There's a book Martial Races of Undivided India! By Vidya Prakash Tyagi So, I have it's part that belongs/dedicated to Jat community from about page 82, so I would like to ask weather should i upload the stuff(related with Jats) here?? Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Sir, please don't worry as if the content was not positive for us or not in our favour, then I never ask to upload it here. B'coz am also a part from this great race! Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 08:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Sir, the work is in progress, you could see here, I would just like to inform you that on this week I'm out-of-station, actually comes out on a break, so I'm just informing that the work in this week is quite possible, but i got some time so i will try, but don't worry, i will do my job after the week..
Respected sir, the work for the book Martial Races of Undivided India has been completed a few days ago, i humbly requests you to provide categories to the page and add this book page in various lists of books on Jatland Wiki, regards.
Burdak Sir, It seems Lisad and Lisadh village is the same. Shamli is a new district, separated from Muzaffarnagar. Lisad is situated at Shamli distt. Recent news reports about demise of Baba Harikishan Singh Malik indicate this fact. Being different texts at both pages, it is requested to pl. merge both. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 16:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Sir, I would like to inquirer that, whether should we wikified books on wiki, without permission of the Publishers or the Author? Actually am just asking to confirm whether should I have to take permission or if there some other Document available (or associated) with the Wiki, that provides us to copy the work from the Books written by various Authors??
Ch Reyansh Singh{Talk}
We need permission of the person who has copy right. Laxman Burdak (talk) 05:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
delete the Page
sir, can you please remove(delete) the following page.
Sir, actually there was a page of some book(p. no. 268), the only thing i know about it; is that, this is from a "Parishishta"(Appendix) of that some unknown book, so as i don't know the name of the followed book, i got remembered about you, as you had read many books; so you, may be, know about that from which book that the followed page had been taken, the information i have is p.268, belonged to some appendix of some book and the page is titled as "Raja Badan Singh tathaa Surajmal k Pradhan Saamant Senanaayak". So, i need a little help please, kindly provide information if you have...
Ch Reyansh Singh{Talk}
O S Tugania
सर, एक पुस्तिका है, जाट समुदाय के प्रमुख आधार बिंदु आपने पेज बनाया है, तो आपसे सहायता चाहता हूं, कृपया मुझ तक इस पुस्तक का पृष्ठ क्रमांक 23 पहुंचाने का कष्ट करें, न सिर्फ अति आवश्यक बल्कि अहम ज़रूरी भी है। कृपया सहायता करें, धन्यवाद्।
Ch. Reyansh Singh{Talk}
हंगा खाप के बारे में हिन्दी मे लिखा है उसका अंग्रेजी अनुवाद इस प्रकार है - Hanga Khap is also known as Agrapal Khap. This khap has 150 villages in Sadabad tahsil of Mathura district in Uttar Pradesh. The main villages are: Bisawar , Naugawan etc. Ch Devkaran of this khap fought bravely with British Govt. [O S Tugania, p.23]. Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
For this information, i would like to Thanks you a lot, a very very thank you!
सर, स्वतंत्रता सैनानी देवकरण सिंह जी के पेज का कार्य पूर्ण हो चुका है, अब मेरा आपसे आग्रह है कि आप कृपया इस पेज को publically expose करें, क्योंकि जब में गूगल पे र्सच करता हूं तो यह जाटलैंड विकी का पेज show नहीं होता। दूसरा आपसे आग्रह यह भी है कि आप कृपया "Ch. Devkaran Singh" को भी इस पेज पर redirect करें, धन्यवाद्।
Ch. Reyansh Singh{Talk}
प्रचलित पद्धति के अनुसार नामकरण मैंने यह कर दिया है- Deokaran Singh Hanga. कुछ एडिट मैंने किए हैं. संदर्भ ठीक किए हैं. गूगल सर्च मे आने मे कुछ दिन लगते हैं. Laxman Burdak (talk) 17:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
जी आपका धन्यवाद् संदर्भों में अभी और भी काम होना बाकी है, जो की मैं कर दूंगा, आपका इतना सहयोग ही बहुत है, धन्यवाद।
Sir, with more than 250+ references, I had created a page namely, Heng-Nu Jats. Whenever I search for the title of the page, i found it on Google search but i would like to inform that the followed page is still under development, the work done on the page had not been accomplished yet. So, I would like to ask whether should there is any method exits? Due to which we might temporarily hide the pages? Until they were in construction? and if such method exits, then please procedure, favorable one, please! With best regards
Ch.Reyansh Singh{Talk}
Dear Burdak Ji,
I would like to inform that Neeraj Chopra is not a Jat, he belongs to Ror Maratha community, so kindly note this. However I have currently corrected that mistake. Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 05:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Reyanshji. The page on Neeraj Chopra was edited by some user named Ror13. It was not done by you? Who is his user? Laxman Burdak (talk) 11:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, to say but I doesn't know about the User:Ror13 as I have corrects the mistake on page Chopra, not on page Neeraj Chopra. Sir, it's quite obvious that he is not a Jat, because if he, then it would be spread like a fire, but nor Social Media neither he himself stating him as a Jat, as he belongs to Ror Maratha community. Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 14:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Both versions are mentioned on his page: Ror Maratha and Ros Jats. You should take not of category also. We have not yet categorized him Jat. It is a matter of research. If Ror is not Jat then why this user Ror13 is on Jatland? Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Sir, i doesn't mean that Ror is not a Jat, I very well known that Ror is a Jat clan, but i would just like to inform that, the Ror clan is found among other people as well, and that's it; as neeraj chopra belongs to Ror Maratha community and not to Ror Jat, while there's may be some connection of Ror Maratha and Jats, which we could wrote with reference but, until that (ref.) we might drop the idea that Neeraj is a Jat. Ch.Reyansh Singh (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Sir, Please have a look at the latest edits by User:Ms123. He/She has deleted some information from Dhanda gotra page (villages' names in different districts). I could not decide whether the edits may be reverted or retained. Regards. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 15:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
He is doing vandalism. Blocked him. Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
ADD-On: New Village
There is new village of Jat that name is Chhanysha in Tehsil DADRI, district Gautan Budh Nagar UP. It comes under Greater Noida, The gotra is Malik.
Burdak Sir, please go through the page edits of User:Garhwal0778 of 13 January. He has made a mess of page Banda Heri and made several new pages and redirects. I tried to fix but could not do much. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Burdak ji, Namaste. Please see new page Jandwal/Jundwal created by a new user on 30 May. It seems it has been copied from a page on Jatland Wiki. I thought of deleting it but I could not trace the details. Regards. --Dayanand Deswal (talk) 09:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Burdak ji, Namaste. I noticed that pages Parthian Jats and Parthians created by you are lying without allotment of any category. Pl. have a look. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Category related to villages in Tarn Taran
Burdak ji, Tarn Taran in Punjab is now a fulfledged district, separated from Amritsar. Under villages, there are two categories, with a spelling variant -
Category:Villages in Tarn Taran and Category:Villages in Taran Taran
Please merge both of these.
Dayanand Deswal (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Sirota/ Singroha
Burdak ji, Namaste. User:Surender71990 has edited several pages on 6 Sept. 2022 on villages of Sirota and Singroha gotras. These gotras may be from one origin in his opinion, but pages may not be edited like this (since both gotras bear separate identity). I have taken the liberty of doing undo action on these pages. You may also have a look, if needed. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 11:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Namaste Deswalji. User:Surender71990 had contacted me about this gotra as he had made some blunders of move and the page got lost. I had restored content and advised him not to move any page but can do editing in pages. He has collected good information but how to incorporate is an issue. We can keep a watch on his edits. If genuine we can retain. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Please add sawant to jat gotra list
People with surname sawant lives in haryana and west up.i am from Jakhod Khera, haryana and there are about 8-10 more villages in haryana in which sawant surname is found.Please don’t get confused with rakhi sawant, in maharashtra sawant are maratha ,they are different.sawant in haryana and up are jat.
Thank you RishavJaat
Created page see Sawant. You can expand it. Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
They seem to be different. User:Lkshy is not active since registration. Laxman Burdak (talk) 05:43, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Request to add Jatt gotra.
Burdak ji
I would like to add my Jatt Gotra "Chitralia",which I have created a wiki page for but it is not listed under Jat Gotras list/index.
Chitralia(चित्रालिया) /Chitaria (चितारिया) is a Jat clan which comes from Dhillon family found in the region of Punjab, Haryana, Jammu, Lahore (Pakistan).
Thank you
Request to add in google search on top
Chitralia gotra is not come in top search when search on google.
thanks sir ji.
Edits by a new user
Sir, it seems User:Nirmalbhadu has deleted some information. Pl. look into his edits.
Thanks Deswalji. I have blocked him and reverted new pages created by him. Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Babbar tribe origin
I want to give you information about origin of babbar baloch tribe with book references
This is a sindhi book saasi panhuu
By dr nabi bux leghari
According to this Book " Saasi Panhuun" of DR.Nabi Bux Baloch....Buber(Lion/Sher) tribe is descendant of Lalai who was son of Mir Aali (aarai) who was son of Mir Umar who was son of Bijar who was son of Mir Hoth Khan who was son of Mir Jalal Khan Baloch......
the text of book is as follows:
حاجي شاهعلي (ان وقت عمر 72 سال) کان معلوم ٿيو (1) ته سندن شجري جي روايت موجب وڏي سردار عالي (آري) جو نسب نامو هن طرح آهي: ”عالي پٽ عمر پٽ بجار پٽ هوت پٽ جلال خان.“ بلوچن جي نسبنامي جي متفقه روايت موجب پڻ ”هوت“ کي ”جلال خان“ جو پٽ ڪري ليکيو ويو آهي. حاجي شاهعلي جي روايت موجب سردار عالي اٽڪل ساڍا اٺ سؤ ورهيه اڳ ٿي گذريو ۽ ڪيچ جي وادي ۾ پنهون جي ”ميري“ واري ماڙيءَ جا کنڊرات اڃان تائين موجود آهن. آريءَ کي نوتڪ، چنرو، پنهون ۽ ست پٽ ٻيا هئا. هوت جي اولاد مان پوءِ نوت ٿيو جيڪو ”ڪلمت“ نئن تي اچي ويٺو، جنهن جي ڪري سندس اولاد ”ڪلمتي“ سڏجڻ لڳو. حاجي شاهعلي جي روايت کانسواءِ ٻين بيانن سان ائين معلوم ٿئي ٿو ته ”آري“ جي پٽ لَلي جي اولاد مان هڪ ننڍو قبيلو موجود آهي. (2) آري جي ٻئي پٽ ٻَٻَر (اصل ۾ بَبَر=شينهن) جو اولاد ”ٻٻر“ بلوچ آهن.
Another instance of why people of Babbar tribe use Malik name is told in this book. We still use Malik name....
In rajanpur and Dera ghazi khan ..people of Buber tribe use "Malik" as title....In book"Sassi Panhhuun" of Dr.Nabi Bux Baloch it is described that the sardars of Buber and Bijar were given Malik titles by Aurngzeb King due to participation
Text written in the book:
ان وقت ملير ۽ ساڪري تائين ڪلمتي قبيلن جي آبادي وڌي ۽ هنن سنڌ جي سامونڊي علائقي کي پڻ سنڀاليو. سنه 1103 هه/ 1691ع ۾ اورنگزيب جي عهد ۾ ملير ۽ ساڪري جي ڪلمتي سردارن بجار ۽ ٻٻر کي ”مَلڪ“ جو خطاب ۽ جاگيرون مليون ۽ بعد ۾ پڻ سنڌ جي جاگيردارن ۾ سندن درجو ”فرسٽ ڪلاس“ وارو رهي
Another book inqilabi balicg tareekh by Mir Anqa Husein says that
Babbar is a tribal name among kurds of Arabistan
They defeated Mughal empire in Baghdad in 1250 along with Romans and French...
Link of book is
Inqilābī Balocī tārīk̲h̲: muk̲h̲talif zamānon̲ men̲ ... - Page 226
In Lasbela district gazetteer subtribes of Babbar are also recorded
1(Berukhani) بیروخانی
2(Hashmani) ہاشمانی
3 (Bhurri) بھورری
4 (Dhalyar) دھلیار
I request you to edit the article with above information. i would be thankful
This is ny email in case of further inquiry
hawkatbuisiness@gmail.com
to add my place to my gotra
doot are also present in rampura bas goner and bada padampura in tehsil chakshu jaipur rajasthan
Sir add gotra
Rasen found in himachal pradesh mandi district this are one of the old gotra of jat
Sir my gotra didnot search direct google
My gotra is rasen when I search my gotra in Google they canot see my gotra
Vikrami Samvat 2080 calendar
Burdak ji, Namaste. I have uploaded a PDF file for VS 2080 calendar (which starts in a day or two) - File:Vikrami Samvat 2080 Calendar.pdf. If possible, can you try to post it on the bottom of Home Page so that members may watch or download it at ease.Dayanand Deswal (talk) 13:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Namaskar Deswalji. Added at bottom of home page and Date conversion
Two pages to be watched by you
Burdak Ji, Namaste. User:Chauhanji has made several changes in Bairagi page and also moved to a new page, Bairagi Jat. Also see another page Josan where changes made by a user seem doubtful.
Pl. try to restore. For the time being, I have changed status of these pages as "protected" to stop further editing by others. Dayanand Deswal (talk) 10:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Deswalji Bairagi Jat edits seem to be OK. Though we can not verify its distribution. Let it expand. We will keep a watch ! I have reverted edits of Josan. Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:30, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Creation of New Categories by a new user
Burdak ji, Namaste. I notice that User:ArjitUjjwal has created so many new categories like Category:Churu, Category:Hanumangarh etc. which seem undesirable. Actually, these are all redirects. Please see his recent edits and "undo" these pages.
Dayanand Deswal (talk) 02:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Deswalji. I have undone his category redirects and deleted those categories. He seems to be a genuine user but has created mesh so I have blocked him for one month. Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Sir, please have a glance through edits of above new user. There are some deletions which need to be reverted (in my view). Dayanand Deswal (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Reverted and put message on his talk page. Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
1 - इस मानचित्र मे कलिंग को मौर्य साम्राज्य मे नहीं दिखाया गया है जबकि अशोक ने कलिंग को जीत लिया था अशोक के तेरहवें अभिलेख के अनुसार ।
2 - इस मानचित्र मे Aria,Arachosia ,Gedrosia मौर्य साम्राज्य मे नहीं दिखाया गया है जबकि चंद्रगुप्त मौर्य ने Aria ,Kamboj ,Arachosia ,Gedrosia को 322 ईशापूर्व में पहले ही सेलुकुस को हराकर संधि मे जीत लिया था ।
इसका वर्णन मेगस्थनीस , प्लीनी आदि ग्रीक इतिहासकारों ने किया था । और हम इसे पढ़ते भी है स्कूल मे । ...
"The four satrapies of the Gedrose, the Arachotë, the Aria, and the Paropamisadë, the River Cophes thus forming the extreme boundary of India.
—( Pliny, Natural History VI:23)
3 -ASI (Archeological Survey Of India) द्वारा पब्लिश की गयी "Indian Historical Quarterly, Vol-13" मे जो मौर्य साम्राज्य का मानचित्र दिया गया है वो सबसे प्रामाणिक है और सभी देशों मे वही पढ़ाया जाता है । मेरी आपसे विनती है की आप इस मानचित्र को हटाकर दूसरा अपलोड करे जो सर्वमान्य है । या फिर मैंने जो बनाकर अपलोड किया था आप उसे भी इस्तेमाल कर सकते है ।
4 -https://www.jatland.com/home/File:Maurya_Empire,_c.250_BCE.png - आपके द्वारा डाला गया मानचित्र सबसे पहले (Avantipura )नाम के विकिपीडिया user ने सबसे पहले बनाया था "Fowler&Fowler" नाम के विकि user के कहने पर । जो लोग विकिपीडिया इस्तेमाल कर चुके है उनको बेहतर तरीके से से पता होगा की "Fowler&Fowler" विकिपीडिया का user हिन्दुवों और भारतियों से कितनी नफरत करता है जिसने सबसे पहले इस मानचित्र को विकिपीडिया पर अपने दोस्त "अवन्तीपुरा" से बनवाया था ।
आप मेरे पिता तुल्य है आशा है आप अन्याय का साथ नहीं देंगे और मेरी बात पर ध्यान देंगे । आपने जो हमारे समाज के लिए किया है वो तारीफ के काबिल है । मैं आपका बहुत सम्मान करता हूँ ।
विनीत जी Mauryan Empire लेख में सीमा ज्ञान के लिए आपके द्वारा दिया गया मानचित्र जोड़ दिया है और टायटल मानचित्र के अनुरूप दिया गया है. पहले से जोड़ा गया मानचित्र भी रखा गया है क्योंकि उसमें गणों का उल्लेख है जो उपयोगी है उनमें से जाट गनों को पहचान करना हमारा उद्देश्य है. किसी के साथ अन्याय करना अपना उद्देश्य नहीं है. Laxman Burdak (talk) 05:27, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
श्रीमान लक्ष्मण बुरड़क जी ,धन्यवाद ,मैं पिछले तीन साल से Map Designing , Graphic Editing का काम कर रहा हु , कल मैंने चित्तौड़ के मोरी राजवंश का Map बनाकर कुछ जगह पर अपलोड किया था इस jatland विकि पर भी किया था । मैं एक नया Map मौर्य साम्राज्य पर बनाना चाहता हु (Full detailed Map) । किन्तु मैं इतनी मेहनत करके उस मानचित्र को बनाऊ जिसमे 1-2 दिन लग जाएंगे। उस मानचित्र मे सभी जाट गण दिखाये गए होंगे जो उस समय मौजूद थे । मुझे श्रीमान जी बस आपसे इतना आशा चाहिए की आप मेरे बनाए Map को परखें और अगर आपको पसंद आए तो उसका इस्तेमाल करे । अगर आप मुझे इतनी आशा दे तो हम उसको समय मिलने पर जल्द ही आपके सामने प्रस्तुत करेंगे । अगर कोई खामी होगी तो आप जैसे निर्देश देंगे वैसा बदलाव उसमे कर देंगे । User:VineetKumarJaat (talk) 12:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
श्रीमान लक्ष्मण जी मैंने अपने Discussion Page पर आपको रिप्लाइ किया था किन्तु आपने कोई जवाब नहीं दिया , शायद नोटिफ़िकेशन नहीं गया होगा । मैंने मानचित्र बनाने का काम पूरा कर लिया है । मैंने इसको बनाने के लिए जो एतिहासिक जानकारी चाहिए उसके लिए Alexander Cunningham की किताब CORPUS INSCRIPTIONUM INDICARUM का इस्तेमाल किया । जहां जहां अशोक के शीला अभिलेख, गुफा अभिलेख , स्तम्भ मौजूद है वो सब दर्शाया गया नाम के साथ । कहने का अर्थ है मैंने (basic information ) लिखने का काम पूरा कर लिया है । आप कृपया करके हमे बताए , की हमे कहाँ पर क्या बदलाव करना है , कौन कौन से गणों को और जोड़ना है और अगर कही किसी का नाम बदलकर कुछ और लिखना है तो वो भी बताए । क्यूकी मैंने ये बेसिक जानकारी के आधार पर बनाया है शायद अभी भी कमियाँ हो सकती है । अगर आपको मानचित्र मे कोई रंग , Word Font , Design , Lining आदि का बदलाव करवाना है तो उसे भी कर देंगे । मैंने बांग्लादेश का डेल्टा भी अलग रंग से ढिखाने की कोसिस की है ।Mauryan Empire 260 BCE. आशा है आपको मानचित्र पसंद आए और अगर सब ठीक हो तो हमे अनुमति दे की हम इसका उपयोग इस jatland site पर कर सके जगह आवश्यकता हो ।VineetKumarJaat (talk)02:40 , 05 October 2023 (UTC)
श्रीमान लक्ष्मण जी , आपको शायद मेरा काम पसंद नहीं आया , खैर कोई बात नहीं , मैं अभी सीख रहा हूँ । मेरी अंतिम आग्रह है आपसे , आपने जो विकिपीडिया user Avanatipura7 का जो ये मानचित्र Indica (Megasthenes) , Jat clans mentioned by Megasthenes और Mauryan Empire पर इस्तेमाल किया है इसकी जगह यही मानचित्र इस्तेमाल करे लेकिन बिना 'Hole' के अभी जो आपने लगाया है ,कृपया उसकी जगह इसे इस्तेमाल करे क्यूकी ये सर्वमान्य है । दोनों मानचित्र Avanatipura7 के ही बनाए हुए है । VineetKumarJaat (talk)08:45 , 6 October 2023 (UTC)
विनीत भाई आपके सुझाव के अनुसार नक्शा बदल दिया है. आपके द्वारा तैयार मानचित्र अच्छा है परन्तु हम मूल नक्शा इस्तेमाल करने के बजाय ज्ञात स्रोत वाला मानचित्र का प्रयोग करें तो अच्छा है. Laxman Burdak (talk) 15:56, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
जी धन्यवाद , वो hole वाला मानचित्र देखकर वास्तव मे मैं नहीं चाहता था की भविष्य मे ये मानचित्र को देखकर हमारे मौर्य भाई हम जाटों से नाराजगी दिखाये इसलिए मैंने इसे हटाने के लिए सोचा । खैर आपने उसे बदलकर भविष्य मे पैदा होने विवाद को खतम कर दिया है । श्रीमान जैसा की मैंने बताया था मैं अभी सीख रहा हूँ इसलिए मुझसे गलतियाँ हो सकती है । लेकिन मैं 2-3 साल के अंदर professional हो जाऊंगा । मैं ऑफिस के काम मे थोड़ा व्यश्त रहता हूँ इसलिए मुसकिल से आजकल 1-2 घंटे ही दे पता हूँ social media पर । खैर मेरे पास एक सुझाव है , आपके लेखों को मैंने पढ़ा मुझे बहुत कुछ नया जानने को मिला , काश jatland wiki का Facebook पर भी Page होता तो समाज मे कितना नयी जानकारी लोगो तक पहुँच पाती और सबमे एकता आती । लोग अपने इतिहास को ही नहीं जानते । Facebook page पर आप कभी विचार कीजिएगा जहा इसके लेखों को डालकर जानकारी फैलाई जा सके । अगर मेरी किसी बात से आपको बुरा लगा हो तो माफ कीजिएगा ।
आपको अगर मेरे Facebook Page बनाने वाले सुझाव का उत्तर देना है तो मेरे discussion page पर ही दीजिएगा हम यहा वार्तालाप खतम कर रहे।
वार्तालाप पूरा हुआ , विवाद का उचित समाधान हुआ । (Ending Discussion)VineetKumarJaat (talk)05:00 , 7 October 2023 (UTC)
DHANOTA
Sir you are placing Dhanota under jat gotra
This is wrong information, Dhanota is a saini gotra, it is abviously written in error
In the reference, in reality all DHANOTA are saini, if you are still keen on posting this information please name some famous
People, I have come across so much information in books that in reality do not exist and never have. Much respect to you sir.
Sir, in book Martial Races of Undivided India on page 83, there is a mention of Major Hoshiar Singh that he was awarded PVC for his bravery in Dec, 1965? There are people of same name of being awarded with same gallantry award, namely Hoshiar Singh Phogat & Hoshiar Singh (Dahiya) now there's a big confusion please clear it by making a link under the name on page 83 thankfully & best regards.
Ch. Reyansh Singh{Talk}
This is the reason of this misconception, as that was a verified text from original book written by Author Vidya Prakash Tyagi? So are we stating that he texted it wrong? Or are just we misconceptioning the writings as Major Hoshiar Singh (Dahiya)? A matter of research I guess? Please shed some light and also kindly add categories on the page MRoUI.
I am gathering information on the Battle of Barahpula, fought between Jats and Mughals. Well I Just created this new page, you should atleast check the time. Barahpula is a historical place.
Respected sir, with the subject written above and through the colomns of your talk page I would like to gain your attention towards a modern issue, we know that the history people taught us is full of myths and illustrations. Best examples are that Mahmud Ghaznavi was killed by Prithviraj a rubbish joke? Isn't? Nowadays, not only Jats but any reputedly educated person would laugh over this killing of a man, whose killer was already died 14 years before himself. Similarly, I, myself laughs when people says that Gokul Singh was a Sinsinwar, now the first evidence connecting them was "Brijendra Vansha Bhaskara" which was written in the ruling time of Maharaja Brijendra Singh, of Bharatpur, i.e. in 20th century about 270+ years after Gokula have sacrificed his life? We should remember that contemporary Italian writer and Traveler Nicolao Manuchi have mentioned about both of the rebellions on Gokul Singh and Raja Ram but never connects them which each other? He mentions about rebellion of Tilpat under Gokula and mentions rebellion of Rajaram Jat of Sinsini at Agra and Sikandra? It's totally okay he had not connects them, but Bharatpur court writers like Sudan? Sudan says that Raja Surajmal was a Krishna descend, but had never mentions about Veer Gokula ? Suppose, your grand father fought and sacrificed his life fighting with Mughols but your poets says that about 200 generations back his ancestors were this? and that? And he forgets to write about 3-4 generations back? That's why I laughs at this, these court poets mentions about Rajaram and Churaman and even Brij Raj earlier rulers of sinsisi but forgets to mentions the warrior which this dynasty beguns to claim from in the 20th century and if these court poets mentions about Rajaram and even Krishna, why had not about Gokula? Another reason for my laughs is that in village Tilhu - Chihattar (Sadabad, Hathras) the descendants of Veer Gokula[1] inherits, Chaudhary Tulsiram (son of Late Ch. Rajendra Singh) still ploughs the fields which was ploughed by Jat Gokula about 350 years ago, he is the rightful heir of that land and proudly bears his gotra as a Haga Jat. Recently a book "Hindu Dharma Rakshak Veer Gokula Jat" has been written by author Th. Bhanu Pratap Singh, (you can contact him here 9412652233, 8279625939) he says that Gokula was a Hanga Jat of village Tilhu you can clarifies this by contacting him - 9412652233, 8279625939.
The zamindari still hold by Haga Jats, writer Kanwarpal Singh said that was a Jat from Mahavan[2] where still the fort of the Kalachuri Ruler Kokalla II or Raja Kulchand Hanga can be seen[3]
As per Kunwar Natwar Singh, after the death of Gokul of Tilpat, a Jat Khanchand (of Sinsinwar clan) was chosen[4] as the new leader? if Sinsinwars of Bharatpur were Gokul's descend then why they being chosen instead of a inherited chief? Like Gokula? Gokula succeeded to the leadership when his elder brother Sindhuraj died? Even after Rajaram, his incapable sons got leadership in waziyat which not lasts for much they are incapable and to leaders like Roria Singh and Braj Raj, then why Khanchand was chosen? It's clear they are from different families/sects of Jats.
These reputed authors clearly mentions that Gokula Jat was a Hanga warrior.
Article "Samar Veer Gokula Jat Ji Kay Balidan Divas par koti koti namn" writen by author Baba Parmendra Arya published by 'Surya Bulletin News' dated 31 December 2019, another article by Dr. Krashna Pal Teotia namely, "Parakrami, Yuddh Veer Shri Gokul Singh Jat Balidan Divas par Bhavpurna Shraddhanjli" dated 1 January 2021 published by 'Tejal Gyaan Patrika Mathura' and author H K Deshwal also mentions in his 'Jato Qo Itihas (Urdu, 1988)' as he was also from Mahavana where still Gokula got recognized as a Henga warrior.
The history of Gokul Jat have written in wrong formats for long, there's nothing to do with Tilpat of Haryana, it was Tilpat Garhi of Mathura (modern Tilhu-Chihattar of Sadabad, Hathras). It's time for us to make formidable changes of those misunderstandings that has been created by people or historian before us. Whether unknowingly or intentionally is another matter but we as reputed youth should glorifies the truth always. And after knowing about Gokula's descend are still ploughing the same field with preserving their clan as Hanga, I don't think any kind of confusion remains.[1] Still if then please read, all proofs about this, which also mentions why history illustrates such illusions? I hope all our doubts come to end after such effortful discussion.
As wise youth we should correct the mistakes done by our predecessors especially in terms of History; so that the upcoming youth can get the knowledge which is true, as history is about to tell the true past and not the created one.
Sir, please make changes as per these proves and tells our youth about the true history, Regards!
Kindly see Gokula Jat under title गोकुल सिंह के बारे में नए तथ्य - डॉक्टर भानु प्रताप सिंह. He mentions that he was a Haga Jat. Kindly write a brief paragraph including all your references and we will add this fact on Gokula's page. Let more and more fact come ! Regards, Laxman Burdak (talk) 12:02, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Facts?
Gokula's descends are turned out to be biggest fact? Still the phrase from Article {Heng-Nu Jats#He was a Henga Warrior and not a Sinsinwar} which I am going to state below in which modern books and articles have also mentioned along with many other arguments, and a formidable and acceptable reason is given as well that why history illustrates such illusions.
As we know historians stated him as a Sinsinwar chief, so it's difficult to find out about the truth but as a freshy when I don't have any strong evidence or reference, I began to pursue the references of other renowned historians, who claims about the theory of Sinsinwar chief. As far as I have studied Thakur Deshraj was the very first historian to claim this by referring to "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara", when I pursued this, I found that in an another book (by same author, i.e. Deshraj), he turned down the quoting of the same reference "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara".
Proofs
False references - As we have already discussed Deshraj is the first historian to connect Gokula with Bharatpur and Sinsini[1] by referring "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara" while in an another book by the same author "Jat Itihas (Utpatti Aur Gaurav Khand)" on page 128-9 he mentions that "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara" stated the Jats to be originated from Rajputs while he turned down this statement mentioned in "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara".
Article "Samar Veer Gokula Jat Ji Kay Balidan Divas par koti koti namn" writen by author Baba Parmendra Arya published by 'Surya Bulletin News' dated 31 December 2019, another article by Dr. Krashna Pal Teotia namely, "Parakrami, Yuddh Veer Shri Gokul Singh Jat Balidan Divas par Bhavpurna Shraddhanjli" dated 1 January 2021 published by 'Tejal Gyaan Patrika Mathura' and author H K Deshwal also mentions in his 'Jato Qo Itihas (Urdu, 1988)' as he was also from Mahavana where still Gokula got recognized as a Henga warrior.
Historians connect Gokul Singh with Sinsini, which is a rubbish joke, let me remind them, a Jat should get landholding in his own village? Isn't? Of course, it's the Jat tradition, in Jagir/waziyat (heritage) Jats receives the land of their forefathers which lies in their "paternal village" only. As from this view Gokula's village should be Tilpat and not Sinsini. As he got his paternal land-holds in Tilpat, a fact well known. Conclusion -Gokula's ancestral/paternal village was Tilpat.
A question arises, history also exists before Deshraj? But no historian before him pointed this out? I mean, historians before him, states and connects Gokula only to Tilpat and there's no mention for Sinsini or Sinsinwar? No historian in world history connects Gokula with Sinsini or Sinsinwar before him, and he also just on the basis of "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara" wrote Gokula's name was "Kahnadeo Sinsinwar"[2] and mentions about Tilpat and not the Sinsini. While we should remember Author Kanwarpal Singh mentions Gokula as a Jat of Mahavana (Mathura),[3] where stills the castle ruins of Hanga Jats can be seen even today.
Even by reading the writings of many modern writers like Kunwar Natwar Singh's (Maharaja Surajmal 2013, pp.30-31), we can not connects them but only conclude that Rajaram was a qualified leader and that's why he was the leader next to Gokula. We can also read the writings of Dr. Mohan Lal Gupta[4] which provides us a great information about the Jat revolts but didn't mentions any connection between the revolts of Sinsinwars of Sinsini/Bharatpur and Gokula of Mahavana/Mathura.
As per another Jat tradition, the holds of one would be equally divided in his successors after him, i.e. the rule/property of the one would be equally divided in his sons or overcoming successors equally.[7] By this view (if) Rajaram (or Khanchand) would get the zagir/heritage of Gokula? (which lies in Tilpat), but as we all know there is no relation mentioned in history between SinsinwarJats and Tilpat. And another point to denote is, as per Natwar Singh after Gokula, Khanchand has been chosen as the new leader of Jats in Sinsini[8] if Gokula was succeeded by Khanchand and Gokula's father was a chief of Sinsini then why should he being chosen? I mean he should have got received the jagirdari of Sinsini in heritage, as per Jat traditions but, he's chosen so? Why?
As per various historians Rajaram Sinsinwar was the successor of Gokula, there is about a 15 years gap between the revolts of both rebellions. No mentions of Gokula's relation with Sinsinwars before "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara" which is seems to be totally based on the ground reports (said and listens have been written in it, already discussed). And another question is even Poet Sudan dosen't mention any kind of such relation. And if there's something like that then why should not any reputed historian before Deshraj mentions this? While the references of Deshraj of "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara" have been already discussed.
Niccolao Manucci (19 April 1638–1717) was an Italian born writer mentions a much about the Mughal period in India. Actually, he's considered to be the only contemporary historian who mentions about Gokula's revolt and his accounts also states about Rajaram's revolt and too mentions that to avenge the brutal execution of Gokula of Tilpat, Jats (under Rajaram) sacked Emperor Akbar's tomb/mausoleum at Sikandra and burnt his remains.[9] But even he hadn't mentioned any connection between the two warriors, likewise he was the one who mentions all the happens but neither connects Gokula with Sinsini, suspicious and doubtable? Isn't?
If Gokula was originally from Sinsini, then after himself his remaining family should have return to Sinsini there paternal lands? But we got to know that the Baisakhi Day 1670 in months of "Shravana" Gokula's sister Bhanwar Kaur attained martyrdom in Tilpat while facing against Mogul General Saf Shikan Khan, in this battle 11 women and 17 Mughal soldiers were killed.[10] A question arises after the death of Gokula, what's his sister doing in Tilpat or for whom does she waiting for? I mean, she should returns to Sinsini his paternal village, after his family? Isn't? This argeument also strongly holds that Gokula's village was Tilpat and not the Sinsini.
People tries to connect Gokula's revolt with those of Rajaram and other Sinsinwar chiefs, 'a 15 years gap exposes the hollowness of the claim' and we should remember that as per author Edgar Thorya and Shovik Thorya, The revolt of Gokula was differ from that of Rajaram whereas Gokula was a chieftain of Tilpat, Rajaram was of Sinsini, these historians mentions both the revolts as different from each other.[11]
During this region of 15 years, an another Jat rebel lost his life while fighting from the Mughals, namely Veer Kanha Rawat of village Bahin (in Haryana).[12]
Now why would the author of "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara" mentions Gokula as Kahnadeo Sinsinwar? For this we would have to go back in history in 1650-51 AD, when Gokula's father Madu Singh Jat was chief of Sinsini and fighting Mirza Raja Jai Singh against the Mughals in which Jats faced a defeat and they leave Sinsini and settled down towards Braj region where Jat Gangadeo (Sinsinwar) of village Pannah near Mahavana and his successors have helped them and provides them a shelter in such emergencies.[14] This may be the reason of writing Gokula as Sinsinwar in "Brajendra Vansha Bhasakara". We should remember that Sikh Leader Baghel Singh Dhaliwal was born in a DhillonJat family of Majha, but was raised up by DhaliwalJats and hence his name in history still preserves this title. And what about Lord Krishna? As he was raised byNand Baba (a Ahir), he still recognized as a Ahir in many sahityas. So, this could be the reason of this misconception.
I spend a large part of my previous years in finding all other references and writing these articles under page Heng-Nu Jats and I personally thinks that these facts are enough with the biggest prove, of the line "The Land on which Gokula used to irrigates the field, today his descend Ch. Tulsiram Hanga proudly irrigates it." And we can change this on his page by referring to those modern books I have stated above? Which clearly mentions that Gokula was a Hanga warrior. It's not any pressure but am just presenting facts and proves in front of you. In fact, I myself should have changed it till yet but had not make this change directly as you have putted your authorization over Gokula's page, that's why as an act of respect I am asking you to such change on the basis of these facts I collected. Just please read it once, and still if you thinks that this change is not to be meant then that's absolutely okay but please have a eye with all your attention towards it, you will understand that these facts are enough that modern writers and visitors like Th. Bhanu Pratap Singh Ji have pointed out huge mistakes about Gokula's history made by several other authors. With best regards!
-Ch. Reyansh Singh{Talk}
Seen the content. What is expected now? Laxman Burdak (talk) 15:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
No contemporary statements ever made in history regarding this? I think we should remove such content or I have other references about the topic which expresses the hollowness of the claim. So whether to remove the section? Or to edit the section in opposing the claim?
You can put your suggestions here about ancestry of Ghiyasuddin_Tughlaq's mother. Jats are also Muslims so why can't she be a Jat? Laxman Burdak (talk) 06:07, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
She can be but as we know no Indian Jats have married their daughter's to in any other caste especially muslims as colonel todd and H S Sangwan mentioned. So do we have to establish that Tughlaq Dynasty was of Jat (which it may be? As they descend from famous Khalaj tribe of Afghanistan, whom were actually descend from Hephthal Huns as per scholars like Joseph Markwat (Huns were actually Jats/Yuechis)) or as it goes? No contemporary statement states about this fact? It firms like a maded-statement in later states much after the Tughlaq Dynasty, in fact some sources say that she was a brahmin women? So then? In what direction do we proceed? Do you want me to collect evidences on Jat origin of Tughlaqs? Or on his non-Jat mother? which fact do we has to establish here?
Reyansh ji Ghiyasuddin_Tughlaq's mother has been mentioned as Jat in some other references also like RC Majumdar. So let it continue as such. Laxman Burdak (talk) 16:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Sir I have proves that Tughlaq's were Jat descend? Do you think we should establish those facts on our Jatland Wiki? Please reply and have a kind look at The page of Zalim Singh Jat (a martyr of 1857 from Kurkanda village Sadabad) is completed, kindly please add his name in the list of The Martyrs. Regards!
Hello Laxman Burdak Sir, I am also a editor in English Wikipedia and I have more than 5000 edits on wikipedia and I have created more than 60 successful articles on wikipedia, and now I want to improve the history of jats on wikipedia because if we add our jat history on wikipedia then it will be more easily searched by Google and indexed easily and become more trustable. So, sir can you suggest me some important articles on jats which should be on wikipedia ??
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